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Re: Pinkerton investigating boys' basketball incident

James — Fri, 22 May 2009 17:03:30 -0000

Informed... Sorry to say, but I don't believe you have your facts straight. Certainly there are times where the Academy's resource (local Derry police) officer maybe consulted, or even the Academy's internal security officer (a former Derry Police Officer, and competent I may add), not ALL incidents are covered by these two parties. In this situation, the administration investigated the allegations, and the player in question (victim) decided not to pursue the situation (despite written accounts from other players indicating assault)
Irrespective of the various options made available for reporting issues, when it comes to allegations of abuse against a child (anyone under 18), State and Federal laws trumps internal protocols. Hence, what we've all have been asking is "Did Pinkerton Academy follow State and / or Federal law regarding the abuse allegations?" Period.

If a teacher is made aware that a child in their class is a victim of child abuse, they are legally obligated to report it to the State of NH. A resource officer / security officer at the school may not be involved, but the school is still obligated to report. Similarly, colleges and Universities are required to maintain and report incidents of crimes on their campuses. If they do not report, under federal law, they could be held criminally liable (which a President of a College in, I believe, NY was). This allows the consumer (potential students and / or parents) to guage how dangerous a campus is, and make informed decisions based upon that fact.

"Informed" please consult with a competent attorney or call the State of NH- Department of Health and Human Services- Division for Children, Youth and Families. They can provide you with the correct facts.

Lastly, Pinkerton HAS in the past buried stories so as not to get the bad ink. I know, I went there and KNOW first hand the slight of hand

Re: Pinkerton investigating boys' basketball incident

Informed — Fri, 22 May 2009 10:31:57 -0000

Altough I didn't read every comment, and don't know if this has already been stated, there is a school resource officer on campus at all times. Anytime there is an investigation, he or another officer is involved. If the administration and officer come to an agreement that there is no need for more authority involvement, it isn't brought into the investigation. By "administrative investigation" it is implied that an officer is on campus and involved. Pinkerton isn't skipping out on any legal requirements, and furthermore isn't trying to keep it "hush hush".

Re: Pinkerton investigating boys' basketball incident

Bronstein — Sun, 03 May 2009 22:19:24 -0000

Enough is enough. Lets drop all of this stupid stuff. Get a life.

Re: Pinkerton investigating boys' basketball incident

Sheila — Sun, 03 May 2009 02:50:21 -0000

Stephen DePaula Jr.? Same one from the NH Supreme Court, failing in all of your petitions to reverse lower court decisions?

(Check out NH Supreme Court Rulings from August 5, 2008. Link might provide readers with some insight to the character of this poster. Fights something at all costs, yet neglects to provide adequate backup and documentation to support his case and family.)

Analogy?

Derry News & Public vs. Stephen and the Coach?
Judgement for the plaintiff....

Re: Pinkerton investigating boys' basketball incident

AL — Tue, 21 Apr 2009 12:35:29 -0000

Dear FYI....WRONG AGAIN!

Re: Pinkerton investigating boys' basketball incident

AL — Tue, 21 Apr 2009 09:40:56 -0000

thank you jay and astro man- you are right! Someone lied and its not all the players that were in the locker room that day who signed sworn written statements that physical contact happened....what are we teaching these kids......

Re: Pinkerton investigating boys' basketball incident

Jason — Tue, 21 Apr 2009 04:02:15 -0000

"A comma is reserved for a pause."

Stephen, ah, there is a pause after Burger King. Where's your comma following "No Jason"? The word "Sayers" should not have been capitalized. Most importantly Stephen, you're focusing in on trivial issues, rather than the substantive issues at hand. We all make mistakes when typing fast. On a blog, who cares. I'm sure that you didn't major in English at NEC.

What I love most about your comments to date is that you are extremely critical of Tony and his "years of abuse", yet at the same time speak like "a little love tap" never hurt anyone. Or your comment inferring that the incident was far less physical than what these players experience in a game (paraphrasing). So you're admitting that physical contact did take place between the coach and the player? This even contradicts Rosinski's statements. You and Coach Rosinski need to get your stories straight.

I think you have a man crush on PETER. (Yeah, it's a rehash of your previous Tony C. reference.) You really sound homophobic, 14 years old, and are totally hypocritical in your statements.

Bottom line, I seriously think that you don't get it. Abuse can be physical or mental. You don't touch a kid. You don't touch a kid. You don't touch a kid. (young, high school or college level) I don't care what they did to you in "your day." You can ream a kid up and down in a locker room, hit home a point, without ever touching a kid.

Great that your son has apparently done well athletically, but I hope you didn't give him a little "love tap" a few times now and then to "get him in line," or mentally abuse him when he didn't perform up to YOUR expectations.

You also refer to your own father's methodology... "he'd kick my a^^" blah blah blah. You really don't see the hypocricy in all of this???

Lastly, your reference that there is no room for the liberal politically correct blah blah blah in sports just validates that you're a Red neck Republican. I love how you and Fox News tie everything to a liberal conspiracy. (By the way, did you work at Guantanamo Bay, specializing in water boarding? Just asking. It appears from some of your comments that you have experience in both torture and perhaps S&M.

You obviously need some parental and / or some professional training in the areas of abusive behavior, sexual orientation and equality. Do you have any women you work with in your firm (Brownstone?) I'd love for your colleagues to read your postings, and then see the real side of their managing director.

As personal lives often inter-connect with professional lives, I would love to see your demeanor and policies on the job. ("Oh, your gay, so we won't hire you." "Oh, you played sports and your a guy, you're hired." "I'm sorry Ms. _____, although you were hired at the same position Jim was, you're a woman and, well, probably not deserving of the same level of pay. Oh, that's because you'll probably have more time off to take care of the kids, or have those "monthly" problems we don't like to talk about that might affect attendance. Also, we know that your husband is the bread winner, and you're just doing this to get out of the house...."

Stephen, this is your life. Sad, but true.

Re: Pinkerton investigating boys' basketball incident

Astro Man — Mon, 20 Apr 2009 23:19:05 -0000

"But these allegations weren't skewed perception. The stories were related with confidence in their accuracy.

So what we are left with is two sets of people telling polar opposite versions of a sequence of events.

Somebody is lying"

The Derry News is keeping this blog alive because someone lied to them. I'd be ticked too if someone lied to me about an occurence. Thank You Derry News for hanging all the laundry out on this event. Bad karma to the person who lied to you. Damn them !!!!

Re: Pinkerton investigating boys' basketball incident

FYI — Mon, 20 Apr 2009 21:14:11 -0000

The Derry Police have been to PA on at least two different occasions regarding this matter. They interviewed administration, reviewed documents, and interviewed some involved. The result is NO finding. I guess it is all one big conspiracy!!! ...it is NOT!

You who continue to blog on this matter are victimizing this young man and his family. You have victimized a Coach R, who all feel is a nice man, and his family. Using his son name is inexcusable. ...all this because you do not like him?

Shame on you....all THREE of you!

...and shame on the Derry News for allowing such attacks to continue.

The parents of those involved, the players, and the coach want this to end...no need to keep pocking this healing sore just because you did not get the outcome you wanted.

Re: Pinkerton investigating boys' basketball incident

Al — Mon, 20 Apr 2009 18:16:11 -0000

Maybe you Stephen should stick to critiquing English and keep out of the important issue here....There WAS and assault and it was swept under the carpet.....I hope the Derry police step in and investigate this the way it should have been from the start. Then you my friend, would know the truth.....Its not about who has proper english here, its what best for the kids at PA.....

Re: Pinkerton investigating boys' basketball incident

Stephen DePaula — Mon, 20 Apr 2009 17:27:08 -0000

No Jason there should not be a comma after Burger King. A comma is reserved for pause. No pause is necessary in this sentence. You’re an idiot. But thanks for helping prove my point.

No more guys, we won our argument. You lost. Coach R has been investigated and cleared. No more blogging for this guy. You nay Sayers can keep the fire burning. Just understand that you’re using wet logs at this point.

Re: Pinkerton investigating boys' basketball incident

Jason — Mon, 20 Apr 2009 15:19:37 -0000

There should be a comma following Burger King..

Re: Pinkerton investigating boys' basketball incident

Stephen DePaula — Fri, 17 Apr 2009 18:41:35 -0000

If I were you Cory, I would be more concerned that I can not write a cohesive paragraph then about my failed playing days at Pinkerton.

I wish you luck. Burger King I think you have another applicant.

Re: Pinkerton investigating boys' basketball incident

Stephen DePaula — Fri, 17 Apr 2009 18:32:11 -0000

Now there is a bright comment!

Now there is a bright comment.

Ur is spelled incorrectly. Throughout should be capitalized. the number 4 should be spelled out. I should be capitalized. The word handedly is spelled incorrectly. The number twenty should be spelled out. So who is stupid Cory?

Re: Pinkerton investigating boys' basketball incident

CORY RAY LICATA!!!!! — Thu, 16 Apr 2009 14:00:37 -0000

ur just stupid. Rosinski is NOT the finest coach a player could have. throughout my unfinished 4 years here at Pinkerton i have seen that man single handedly destroy the game of basketball for well over 20 kids. Its disgusting.

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CORY RAY LICATA!!!!! — Thu, 16 Apr 2009 13:57:17 -0000

o yeah by the way the reason the student and his parents dropped the charges is becouse the athletic director ROYCE threaten the boy with not being able to apply the college that he wants following his senior year. The whole athletics department is currupt and the only person that knows how to win is O'rielly. THANK GOD WE HAVE SOMETHING.

p.s. ROSINSKI NEEDS TO BE DONE WITH!!!!!!!!!!

Re: Pinkerton investigating boys' basketball incident

Steve dePaula — Wed, 15 Apr 2009 11:56:41 -0000

Jay;

Peter is not a bad coach. What is your definition of such? And since you did not play for him how are you coming to this conclusion? Secondly as you admit you have never played for either one of Tony or Peter. So, for you to have a sideline opinion of either one of them is exactly that. You hold an opinion without basis. You being a division two football player suggests that you are not a basketball player in th program and it further demonstrates my point.

To write that someone is a good or bad coach without ever playing for them is irresponsible sir. You are relying on what to make this conclusion? Innuendo, rumor, someone else’s opinion of which you are drawing your own inference. However you are coming to your conclusion your perspective is one that is at best third party. As a former player and now coach you should know better. I am a little disappointed with you if this is the case.

As far as the school Peter chose, students choose schools for all kinds of reasons. Maybe Peter likes Vermont? Maybe he liked the small class sizes? Maybe he liked his coach? Maybe he liked the academic programs? Maybe he felt he could contribute immediately to a small program and have more impact then that of going to a D2 school an sitting the bench for two years? Maybe he liked the food? Who knows? Students pick schools for all kind of reasons. Just because Peter played at a small school does not mean other larger schools were not interested in him. In also does not prove that Peter was not a terrific athlete. Many great athletes have come from small programs. Your commentary reads like you don’t really understand the full picture; and while you berate Peter’s program I am sure my friends in the large D1 programs would mock the program you were in, some of them. Does it mean that you were not a good football player because you did not play at Notre Dame? Please, come up with some arguments that contain some meat.

Steve DePaula

Re: Pinkerton investigating boys' basketball incident

Steve dePaula — Wed, 15 Apr 2009 11:31:29 -0000

James:

I suggest you define the words abuse and discipline. When you do I hope you will understand the difference between the two. You don’t seem to understand that there is a difference.

I am not berating Tony. I am stating some facts. See James, I unlike you have played for several coaches in my athletic career. I have played for both coaches mentioned in this blog. I have first hand knowledge of their personalities and behavior. I know these men. You don't know either one of them as an athlete, do you? You have not played for either of them have you?

Since I have played for both of these coaches, in fact have over 10 years with Tony and 4 with Peter. I think I can clearly articulate that Peter's coaching style is very different from Tony's. Again Tony was abusive; he berated kids over a long period of time. Peter was firm with us but always positive. Peter certainly gave us his share of constructive criticism, but with it also came a great amount of praise. Peter likes kids. Peter coaches because he genuinely likes kids. Tony coaches because he likes himself. He likes the way winning makes him feel. He likes control and he needs to feed his ego. As a result he sometimes does not always make the best decisions as how he treats his players.

Just for the record I am glad you’re not my kid also. I also think the catholic priest reference is little over the top, and I am not sure I can clearly understand a direct correlation between either Tony’s behavior and Peters that corresponds in anyway with my vote for President. Your writing style takes on a sort of unintelligence that I have difficulty with. It makes me feel that you are too young to correspond with. Are you even old enough to vote is a question that comes to mind? I say this because the last time I saw an OMG reference it was on facebook from a 13 year old.

In any case. We speak from different platforms. Mine is from my experience as a high school and college athlete. It is also from someone who knows these men, has played for them. And can speak intelligently about their perspective coaching styles.

Steve DePaula

Re: Pinkerton investigating boys' basketball incident

Steve dePaula — Wed, 15 Apr 2009 10:53:51 -0000

James their is a difference between abuse behavior and discipline. Tony is an abusive charachter, Peter is not.

Re: Pinkerton investigating boys' basketball incident

James — Sun, 12 Apr 2009 22:54:58 -0000

OMG... Aren't you being a hypocritic here? On one hand you berate Tony for abusing players then you condone such behavior on the other. I'm glad I'm not your kid. The priests used to say the same to some of my altar boy friends, but that was more like "lay down" and take it like a man.
You must have voted for Bush.
Disgusted.
Wait until your kids write about you Steve. You have become the man you most hated growing up- Tony C.
"Please sir, may I have another?"
Animal House 1978

Re: Pinkerton investigating boys' basketball incident

Jay — Sun, 12 Apr 2009 21:11:52 -0000

Steve..

I just respond with a few key points;

1) Peter and Tony BOTH are bad coaches, period.
2) I'm a former DII (now a D1) level school football player. Former College football Assistant Coach. Former AAU High School Basketball Coach. Brothers and sister were DI and DII athletes (basketball and football). And guess what, I'm my worst critic, yet believe I have enough college, high school and youth coaching and playing experience to evaluate these two guys in hoops.
3) I'm not a Tony C supporter. (please re-review my comments) I just made the point that technically, Peter's worse.
4) The issue at hand is a) did he touch (assault) a kid? b) Where was the administration for this current allegation, Tony C's abuse, and for you as a victim of this abuse?
5) Lastly, the College of St. Joe in VT? A coed school of maybe 250 males when he attended (now, apparently, has about 250 students in total)?? Oh, I've heard his speeches on this many a time on his playing days. It's really kind of sad.

People good for my "kids" don't hit my kids... ever!!

Respectfully,
Jay

Re: Pinkerton investigating boys' basketball incident

Steve dePaula — Sun, 12 Apr 2009 16:21:46 -0000

Jay:

Peter played at St. Joes in Vermont. They played real teams with real collegiate athletes. Where did you play sir?

I also believe that Peter scored almost 2,000 points in college, and regardless of where he played that is an unbelievable achievement. Regardless of this statement, a good player does not always mean a good Coach and vice versa. Peter is a good coach. Unless you have played for both of these guys which I have you know nothing. Your opinion is useless. Watching from the sidelines does not produce first hand knowledge. I was laughing out load at your meatless commentary.

My bet is that you did not play. You are one of many armchair qb's in this blog? Tony will not be allowed to Coach at Pinkerton again, so this is a mute point. Sounds by your fascination with Tony C that you have a little bit of man crush on him. Nice to be a fan! Many of us that played for him, would not again. Those assistant coaches who coached for him would also not coach for him again.

Tony makes Peter look like a saint. Tony has violated every ethical practice known to the sport. He epidermises the win at all cost attitude. Even if that cost is your son's mental or emotional stability. Tony was blackballed for several years from New Hampshire basketball. He could not even get a job in the sport until Goffstown. No college team would touch him and every high school administrator knows that with Coach C’s winning also goes his over inflated ego and let’s just say less borderline criminal behavior. So for all his winning he was relegated to coaching Goffstown? Why do you think that is? That is a rhetorical question. Why? Because even though he is a very talented coach, he is a nut case.

He is not a basketball god. Coach C is a man flesh and blood. He is not perfect, he is fallible and he is flawed. On the surface he seems very congenial. He is not. He is a coward who prayed on the undeveloped emotions of teen aged boys. At the end of the day he is bad for basketball and bad for kids. I have detailed accounts of his abusive behavior toward kids. But I am not going to get into it. Every time you Coach C lovers get excited to the point of sexual arousal I know we have another person who knows nothing about the man. I played for him from the time I was 6 until I was 17. He was the single best and worst thing that happened to me in my athletic career. As a college athlete I learned how abusive he actually was. It was in college I learned that he was not that smart, gifted or god like.

Say what you will about Peter. He is good for kids. If your kids is that good to earn a scholorship, get him into Prep A.

Respectfully,

Steve DePaula Jr
Class of 1990
Pinkerton Academy Varsity Basketball Player 1988-1990
New England College Basketball 1990-1994

Re: Pinkerton investigating boys' basketball incident

Steve dePaula — Sun, 12 Apr 2009 15:42:45 -0000

James:

Sorry for the delayed response. My son Chris was competing in the USASA national snowboard Championships in held at Copper Mountain, Colorado.

Thanks for your perspective. Here are my thoughts. I don't believe that it is a horrible mistake in the first place. We are assuming that a little love tap in the locker room is a bad thing. Sometimes it is a necessary thing. Sometimes it is important to handle things internally. I don't know what happened in that particular locker room that particular day. If this kid got out of line, and the coach put him back into line than that is what I would expect to happen. Option two is to simply kick the kid off the team. That decision could have been even more damaging to the team, I am not sure.

What I do know is if Rozinski got that upset, then the kids most likely deserved the reaction he got. In my day I would have got an asskicking from the coach followed by an ass kicking by my father. Parents have changed and kids have changed and not for the better. This save the kids mentality is quite frankly crap! There is no place for politically correct radical liberalism in high level athletics. Unless the kid was physically hurt by the incident, which he was not, he should pick up his deflated ego and let the coach, coach. Players should play. Parents should watch, and support their kids with transportation and financial support. Don’t get me wrong I believe in protecting your kids from harm, but not from the harm of a bruised ego.

If this kid thinks this level is too difficult for him he should quit while he is ahead. There are new collegiate recruits every year gunning for your position. There is a place for some corporal treatment in sports, the military and growing up. Abuse no, but as Lou Holts said….” Discipline is something you do for someone not to someone. “ I think this message applies. Parents if your kids can’t take a little grinding in the locker room from time to time, get them into art not sport.

Respectfully,

Steve DePaul Jr
Class of 1990
Pinkerton Academy Varsity Basketball Player 1988-1990
New England College Basketball 1990-1994

Re: Pinkerton investigating boys' basketball incident

Steve dePaula — Sun, 12 Apr 2009 06:41:20 -0000

Dear Class of 2007:

I am not about to get into a contest of wits. That was not my purpose in writing. I am not stating that Peter did or did not make mistakes in this situation. That is not for me to determine. I stated I would give him the benefit of the doubt given his tenure as a teacher and as a fine coach. Make no mistake class of 2007 Peter is a fine coach, regardless of his playoff and or win/loss record.

Do you know what Peter’s record is for graduating his players? How many attend college as student athletes? How many of his players are good citizens? How many will go on to be productive members of our society? How many of his athletes will become college graduates, good men, good fathers and good husbands? Coaches should be measured in more than x's and o's and wins and losses. If Peter is measured by the former then he is one of the best coaches in the state. His players are better people because of him, not just “better” basketball players.

The reality of sports is that almost 99% of the high school players in the nation do not have the god gifted physical ability to be a scholarship athlete or a pro. So we better start defining coaches by how many of them are helping mature these young men beyond that of the basketball court and ready them for life after sports. Peter does this better than anyone I know and he lives for it!

I am not one to brag. But I think it is important to establish a baseline for having an opinion in the first place. So far 2007 I don’t have one from you. I played 4 years of basketball at Pinkerton. I was fortunate to be a part of two state titles. I went on to play 4 years of collegiate basketball in an NCAA division three program. I have a brother that played seven years of professional baseball in the Cleveland Indians organization after receiving a full division one scholarship. I have a father that played collegiate football for Wake Forest University in the ACC as a division one scholarship athlete. I have a son who is one of the top 20 snowboarders in the country and is sponsored by Flow Snowboards at the age of 10. I have also played for Peter. I have assistant coached at the high school and collegiate levels. So I am comfortable in stating that it is my opinion that Pete Rozinski is a fine coach. Please establish your baseline for the reverse of this position.

By the way a little tap in the locker room never hurt any kid that I know. Those of us that have received them here and there are better for it. I still remember a specific incident to this day with a coach that I respect more than any coach that I had high school or college that pushed me into a set of lockers because I was being lazy in transition. Man I never had a problem after that. I was the first one down the court every time. Why because I respected my coach and loved him. I know what he did was right. Too many parents are to busy saying ...” oh poor Johnny”. In stead of letting their kids grow up.

My guess 2007 is that you are one of those guys that claims he knows what he is talking about, but when it comes to it lacks actual first hand knowledge of playing. I have a pretty good idea that you were either a non athlete or a frustrated athlete. I know this because you did not even have the intestinal fortitude to write your full name in this blog. That is how I know you are not an athlete. I don’t know a single athlete that is a coward. And you sir are a coward.

Players win state titles, not coaches. Players win games not coaches. The problem is that most of the arm chair quarterbacks in this blog don't now how to define what a "good" coach is in the first place. Many here have not played sports at a high level or any level at all. This is like bloging with pros vs. Joes. Define what a good coach is. Do that first! If winning is your only metric than you have really no idea what you are talking about. And scholarships, please! If that is your criteria for defining what a good basketball coach is in the state of New Hampshire than you’re just an idiot.

The most ridiculous thing about this blog is that it starts its discussion speaking on an isolated event, and then burns out of control about topics that have little to nothing to do with the issue. This blog is not a discussion on Peter’s win loss record, or his ability to turn mediocre athletes into superstars. The blog is not about bringing Tony C back as a coach. This blog is about a winy kid who got an alleged tap in the locker room .

Scholarships are hard to achieve. 1/10th of 1% of all high school players in the country will ever go on to be college athletes, never mind getting a full athletic scholarship. Collegiate and Pro scouts will find talent where it exists, regardless of the win loss record of any team. Not producing scholarship athletes is a player issue not a coach issue. The fact is parents always think their kids should get scholarships. Most parents have little to know idea what it takes to receive one. My brother threw 97 miles and hour; my father ran the forty in 4.6 as a 240 lb running back in the 60’s. I played basketball with a kid that could take a quarter of the top of the backboard without a running start. None of these attributes are coached. A god given combination of elite physical attributes is what separates most non scholarship athletes from scholarship athletes. Most parents think their kids possess these attributes because they have never had a 6’8 point guard from North Carolina dunk on them. I have!

Coaches motivate players, educate and teach athletes. Coaches organize, and bring unity, purpose and spirit to their respective sport. Peter does all these things well. It is always amazing to me how every year parents and student athletes take on less personal accountability to their overall success and place the blame of their personal failures on the shoulders of others. In this case we want to blame a high school coach for lack of winning, scholarships, and state titles. When I played players were responsible for those things. I guess times have changed. Every day I read the paper I understand more and more why were are in the state we are in. The world we be better with a few more Peter’s around.

Steve DePaula Jr.
Class of 1990
Pinkerton Academy Basketball Player 1986-1990

Re: Pinkerton investigating boys' basketball incident

Steve — Thu, 09 Apr 2009 07:11:39 -0000

Did we all forget about last years episode. Oh you didn't that is because they swept it under the rug again. The Varsity team got caught gambling on the team bus and one kid lost like 300 bucks and the coaches were right there. It was brought to Royce and the team had to collect food for a charity and all was forgotten. The school will do anything to keep it out of the papers. This years team was prodicted to win the whole thing this year by the sports writers and they had the talent to do it but just like every year the coaching was the reason. And yes I know My son played for Rosinski for four years and it was really bad to see the way those games were coached.